Comments on: Immigration http://www.cornfedgirl.com/musings/immigration/ It's a Richer Kind of Life Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:55:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: tj http://www.cornfedgirl.com/musings/immigration/#comment-37 tj Sat, 01 May 2010 14:41:42 +0000 http://www.cornfedgirl.com/?p=106#comment-37 The law might not be perfect but you have to start somewhere! If obami has a better idea, let's hear it!! Till then let's get the ball rollin till they sell drugs in stores and americans get forced out! The law might not be perfect but you have to start somewhere! If obami has a better idea, let’s hear it!! Till then let’s get the ball rollin till they sell drugs in stores and americans get forced out!

]]> By: I Speak/Hablo/Sprechen Sie? | PhilosYphia http://www.cornfedgirl.com/musings/immigration/#comment-36 I Speak/Hablo/Sprechen Sie? | PhilosYphia Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:11:41 +0000 http://www.cornfedgirl.com/?p=106#comment-36 [...] ramifications of their new law,  and with my sister, who rarely comments politically on anything, chiming in with a blog post about her views on the subject, I thought I’d ought to present a post on a subject that I find to be something I sit on the [...] [...] ramifications of their new law,  and with my sister, who rarely comments politically on anything, chiming in with a blog post about her views on the subject, I thought I’d ought to present a post on a subject that I find to be something I sit on the [...]

]]> By: The Atkinsons http://www.cornfedgirl.com/musings/immigration/#comment-35 The Atkinsons Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:50:27 +0000 http://www.cornfedgirl.com/?p=106#comment-35 We were intrigued to see what your blog had to say. Our ears always perk up when we hear the I-word these days! :) I'm sure my hubs might add his two cents worth on here later! We were intrigued to see what your blog had to say. Our ears always perk up when we hear the I-word these days! :)

I’m sure my hubs might add his two cents worth on here later!

]]> By: Nathan Pralle http://www.cornfedgirl.com/musings/immigration/#comment-34 Nathan Pralle Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:53:07 +0000 http://www.cornfedgirl.com/?p=106#comment-34 Good post. I agree that we need to have either immigration reform and/or simple enforcement of the laws as they sit right now. The latter is probably the best way to handle this, although there's a lot working against it. What I DO NOT like about the new law in Arizona is that it assumes that the police officers stopping people and asking them to prove their legality will not abuse that power. There are a few supposed "checks" on this, conditions that must be fulfilled to do this, but it's still not tied down tightly. And while there are plenty of good cops out there, you know as well as I that there are plenty of bad ones, too. So I'm really anxious to see how it plays out in the long run. That's the absolute hardest part, I think, about enforcing the immigration laws -- how do you find and separate out the illegals from the legals without running the risk of bugging the legals all the time? And not only bugging the legals, but bugging *particular* ones based on skin or hair color. I mean, look at my wife -- from appearances, can you readily tell she's Australian and might be here legally or otherwise? No. Same goes for your roommate's husband. However, look at someone like Vic. Is it fair that, because he's of a particular nationality that is visibly different from his neighbors, that the cops stop him frequently to check his papers? That's the hard part. Yes, I think if you can determine reasonable suspicion that a house with 20+ people in it might just be harboring illegals that you could come up with a method for getting authorization for checking it. But there has to be checks in place or in the wrong hands it'll end up being harassment. And, of course, there's a lot, lot of people who like illegals, because they'll do all the crap jobs and do them cheap, meaning we get some pretty awesome labor for next to nothing. Are they exploited? You betcha. But so are waitresses at short-order diners. It's a tough nut. I wish I could say there's a clear path to it, but I'm not sure there is. Good post. I agree that we need to have either immigration reform and/or simple enforcement of the laws as they sit right now. The latter is probably the best way to handle this, although there’s a lot working against it.

What I DO NOT like about the new law in Arizona is that it assumes that the police officers stopping people and asking them to prove their legality will not abuse that power. There are a few supposed “checks” on this, conditions that must be fulfilled to do this, but it’s still not tied down tightly. And while there are plenty of good cops out there, you know as well as I that there are plenty of bad ones, too. So I’m really anxious to see how it plays out in the long run.

That’s the absolute hardest part, I think, about enforcing the immigration laws — how do you find and separate out the illegals from the legals without running the risk of bugging the legals all the time? And not only bugging the legals, but bugging *particular* ones based on skin or hair color. I mean, look at my wife — from appearances, can you readily tell she’s Australian and might be here legally or otherwise? No. Same goes for your roommate’s husband.

However, look at someone like Vic. Is it fair that, because he’s of a particular nationality that is visibly different from his neighbors, that the cops stop him frequently to check his papers?

That’s the hard part. Yes, I think if you can determine reasonable suspicion that a house with 20+ people in it might just be harboring illegals that you could come up with a method for getting authorization for checking it. But there has to be checks in place or in the wrong hands it’ll end up being harassment.

And, of course, there’s a lot, lot of people who like illegals, because they’ll do all the crap jobs and do them cheap, meaning we get some pretty awesome labor for next to nothing. Are they exploited? You betcha. But so are waitresses at short-order diners.

It’s a tough nut. I wish I could say there’s a clear path to it, but I’m not sure there is.

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